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@ 2009-11-09 – 22:16:03
Its ignorance like this that gives our faith a bad name
Mayor refuses to judge 'evil' Halloween pumpkin contest
Source: www.telegraph.co.uk
A mayor and his wife refused to judge a pumpkin carving competition because Halloween 'glorifies Satan's angels', according to a report.
Old-Nick
Pro 
WildWitch
Is pure ignorance of the oldest faith in the world. Most Christian festivals come from Paganism, they just refuse to believe it though.
mattk
Idiots!
SeasideMan
Pro Oh. My. God.
WildWitch
Its kind of laughable in some ways but so very ignorant.
malakeas
Pro Twat he is. And utterly ridiculous. x
WildWitch
Theres a lot of em about though sadly
juliepenkova
Pro This shows how dogma and influence from it distorts
the true beautiful meaning of Halloween...
I went out of my way to research it and was surprised
at how Halloween respects nature and the cycle of life
and rebirth... it has nothing to do with satan...
and my views on satan is another topic... I do not
believe in that either....
It is ignorance indeed!!
WildWitch
Halloween or Samhain is a beautiful and very sacred festival to us. There is no evil in it at all and no harm to anyone.
Over time and history though Christians have gone through the world with the aim of converting as many as possible to their faith and in doing so have worked their hardest to make out that Paganism is evil and related to Satanism (which is just another branch of Christianity anyway). Satan dosnt exist in Paganism, he was a biblical character, therfore unless one believes in the bible (as a Christian does) there is no Satan, so therefore can only be worshiped by bible followers.
But of course they dont like that 
juliepenkova
Pro I have hot debates with my christian family
(of course they are not like.... you know who!!)
but sadly they too believe all that is wrong with
the world is due to satan....
It is a Christian concept in a book that is highly
flawed anyway!!
It is sad how dogma's influence ones belief...
I have gone out of my way to search on all aspects
of spirituality and laws of nature and am still searching and as strange as this may seem my family
respect that.
I do feel christianity is fear based as this article proves.
Christians feel those who are not christians are lost
this perception is what frustrates me... as I see that they are under such influence which restricts
them from looking at life from other angles.
I uss to go to christian meetings years ago and
they do talk on all aspects of life which now reflecting on was higly influenced by christian perception now I have left I feel free!! 
I am looking at Jesus through another dimention
and will be doing a post on it... of couse it
is based on what I feel was his message as a prophet
and not as what the Bible portays....
as it is from an gnostic point of view...
oops sorry Morvenna I have gone off topic ....
XX
WildWitch
Its a subject i believe we are both passionate about. I personaly do not push my faith on others and have no desire to, what really annoys me about Christianity is the way they feel the need to go out there and convert. To me that is taking away our rights to say no we dont want to be converted, you get on with your life and ill get on with mine, but there are vulnerable people out there who do get pulled in by these people and thats wrong.
juliepenkova
Pro They do not see it that way though
they see everyone who in not a christian as lost
and doomed and will go to hell.... to me that is
a fear in them and why they wish to witness to all
as they think then you will be saved... that is what
I feel is based on fear... they will see it as based
on love and eternal life...
the so called born again experience I question
not because they have not experienced something
which they perceive as wonderful... no doubt it was..
certain memebers of my family talk about how this happened and I respect that... but at the same time
I can question that to... I feel what they have experienced is a supernatural experience.... but
from what original source... they will say from Jesus
But they do not know that to be actual fact....
This is a complex universe, multiverse, time and space is a phenomena of which their so called born again experience more then likely derived from
I strongly believe that the Bible is not the one true
way to access our higher self...
to me there is local mind and non-localmind
The local mind is personal and individual,
the non-local mind on the other hand is pure soul
or spirit known as universal consciousness, operating
outside the boundries of normal space and time.
collective consciousness for all free and without fear.
WildWitch
I totaly agree. I think if they wernt so arrogant in the way they go about converting people id feel sorry for them.
pompeycaulkhead
Cllr Sonja Wilson added she thought the festival was against the teachings of the Bible.
She said: "We feel strongly about the potential dangers of letting youngsters become involved in it.
Sorry Ms Wilson but I would rather my kids got involved with paganism than with christianity when there are dangerous fuckwitted bigoted muppets like you involved in the church.........
WildWitch
Haaaaaaallllllllayluya brother
pompeycaulkhead
Well. these evangelical eejits get right up my fucking nose........
WildWitch
I live in Evangelical eegit town, you would need a huge vat of vic if you lived here
pompeycaulkhead
Muppets the lot of them. How I am glad I aint into organised religion.......
WildWitch
Its pushed down the throats of our kids in the schools here, all my kids friends go to church or sunday school, its a nightmare.
pompeycaulkhead
Its all wrong. If and when I have kids they will be allowed to decide what if any faith to get involved in. Who are we to decide for them?
WildWitch
I have had my kids removed from collective worship and more recently my daughter from RE because the school only teach Christian views, rarely touch on any other faith.
What really made me angry though was the fact that RE last term was focused on Christian marriage, not relationships, just Christian marriage. Ill not have my kids told the only correct relationship in this world is the Christian version of a relationship. You should have seen the teachers face when i asked how he would explain it to the kids of single parent families, couples living together without the Christian Gods blessing, same sex couples or those of other faiths with children in the school. He couldnt answer me, so i told him my daughter will not be in his lesson or worship.
He asked if i was ok with Christmas, could she be involved in the Christmas celebrations, yeah thats fine i said cause she knows they originate from Paganism anyway
pompeycaulkhead
I argued in a post ages ago that religion had no place being taught in school and that the churches/mosques/ synagogues whatever were there for that purpose. I seem to recall not many disagreed with me.......
WildWitch
It was the church that originaly set up schools in the days of old, back then maybe it was acceptable and a much needed system. The world has moved on, preaching rather than teaching is not acceptable in schools anymore. Religious education is fine as it informs our children about the different cultures of the world, expands their knowlege of this planet so many different cultures of the human race share, and thats all well and good, education expands the mind, but preaching to children, telling them they have to pray to a god they dont know in a way that is allien to them and telling them lies about how the world was created is not acceptable anymore. Mankind has moved on, science has proved the bible isnt THE way anymore but many Christians will still not accept this and continue to preach rather than teach.
Sadly here in Wales it seems to be the way, i have complained to the powers that be but im told schools in this area do adopt a mainly Christian ethics. As the head teacher of my daughters school told me, i should conform or leave, thats my choice sadly.
Im now in a position to make the choice of leaving once iv saved up enough cash.
pompeycaulkhead
Ah but there is the difference. Teaching cultural studies is one thing. Teaching faith is another. I have nothing against kids learning about any religion in a cultural setting. Preaching at them though is plain wrong.
WildWitch
exactly. Back home there was none of this preaching unless parents chose a particular faith school.
I wish the bible bashers would give it a rest.
pompeycaulkhead
Don't we all. How can what is now a minority sect (only 2% of the population still go to church on a regular basis) still hold so much sway?
WildWitch
Probably because the church is the richest business in the world. Isnt the Queen still head of it all? Wonder if it would have as much sway if we did away with the Royal family.
pompeycaulkhead
Probably. I once studied in Chichester and the Bishop there (a right twat he was) basically ran that city. We couldn't even get late licenses for college do's cos of him.
WildWitch
What do these people do for fun?
pompeycaulkhead
Alas sticking their big noses into everyones elses business and being sanctimonius little shit heads actually counts for fun in their lives.......
WildWitch
yup, bet they would love to have the fun we witches have
pompeycaulkhead
Dear god. It would blow their narrow little minds into the straosphere!!!!!!!!
WildWitch
Talking of narrow minds, OMG! last night at ceramics OMG!
Will blog it up later.
pompeycaulkhead
Yeah I caught it. Unreal.........
WildWitch
pretty real for round here sadly.
pompeycaulkhead
And I thought over here was backward!!!!!!!!!
WildWitch
Well, iv never found a place quite like Neathville in the county of Royston Vasey.
pompeycaulkhead
Can almost hear them banjos dueling from here!!!!!!!!
WildWitch
Yup, you got it.
pompeycaulkhead
You want to walk up to the inbred fuckwits and ask them to give you a high six!!!!!!!!!
roadrocket
Hasn't anybody told this prejudiced and ignorant Mayor that Satan is a Christian construct, not a pagan one? If he made a similar comment about one of the officially recognised faiths he'd be asked to apologise and maybe even lose his office. He's there to represent his community and that means all the faiths and cultures in it, not just those he personally favours.
WildWitch
I would love to be the one to tell him Rocket.
It is awful that Paganism is looked upon in this negative way by these ignorant people.
Your right, if he said such a thing about one of the mainstreem religions there would have been riots.
It does annoy me. At Witchfest Christians have turned up on the door to protest about us holding our annual event and there have been times when Christians have turned up at our outdoor events, one was a bbq and a few stalls, childrens craft activities and a crowd of them turned up singing hymns at us. Our HP went over to invite them to join us for food, but they declined and kept on singing.
What would happen if we stood on their church doorsteps one of these sunday mornings, waving pentagrams and chanting 'we all come from the godess' i wonder.
paulinemom
I shall make this brief or I shall be going on forever...
My first instinct was set a petition about the narrowmindedness of what/whom is supposed to be a Public Figure.
Regardless of whatever faith..Halloween has become a FUN THING.
NOW I REALLY WONDER WHAT FAITH HE HOLDS......
P xx
WildWitch
Well the article mentions the bibles teachings so im assuming he follows those biblical teachings, he also refers to Satan, who is a character thought up from Christian practise, so therefore the guy could well possibly be a Christian.
paulinemom
I still feel that it is a little 'narrow minded'
Halloween means a lot to Pagans, but frankly these days it has become no more than a 'fun time' for children (and adults)...party time, dressing up, playing games etc. As a public figure he should put aside any religious views and enter into the spirit of the time.
P xx
WildWitch
Its up to him if he wants to take part in the party aspect of it or not, just as it is entirly up to me if i want to take part in Christmas. I do go to works Christmas parties/meals and any new years eve do's (though ours is at Samhain). But what this guy has said about Paganism is very wrong indeed, he hasnt got his facts right at all and is actualy discriminating against the worlds oldest faith.
I dont care if he chooses not to enter into the spirit 'as you say' of it (which is probably in the most unspiritual way when looked into the social history of Halloween festivities, but wont go there) but discrimination and total ignorance of this sacred time is very wrong indeed and an offence to followers of this faith.
paulinemom
Julie,
I have taken a step back and responded as a non religious in ANY way person and looked at his manner in this light.
My own beliefs are same as yours....but....we have to sometimes take a BROADER VIEW rather just our personal faith.
Be it right or wrong....I felt that as a Mayor he should have overcome his personal belief and entered into the children's world of fun.
OMG...wish I had managed to post this on Hopechild....there would have been many fore and against,
P xx
WildWitch
Pauline, Samhain is not a 'fun' or 'childrens world' festival.
Even my children accept that Samhain is a special and sacred festival to us. My daughter follows my pathway, my son is agnostic and is allowed to do his own thing yet totaly respects mine and Hannahs rights to mark this sacred sabat. It is not a childrens world of fun it is a highly sacred sabat, not a childrens world of fun, im most offended.
paulinemom
Sorry,,,I have offended....but it is also a festival I celebrate,
You do sometimes have to take a wider view if the world and accept other's views,
We have our faith...others their own..we should not question that.
It is really sayng that we as Pagans should not allow people to celebrate Xmas. OK....Xmas is a fun filled thing these days...not the religious holiday it was years gone by can you understand what I am tryung to say?
WildWitch
Hey, iv never said anyone shouldnt celebrate any festival of their faith or choice.
Back home my kids and i joined in with Diwali, Eid and passover celebrations because we were invited by our friends, we respected totaly the meaning behind the festival and enjoyed being part of it. I miss the multi cultural aspect of home.
We should all be accepted and tollerated no matter what faith we choose. I have no issue with this mayor choosing not to celebrate the sabat, unless he is Pagan he has no reason to in my eyes. My issue is that he has no respect for this sacred sabat due to pure ignorance and narrowmindedness and i dislike the words he has chosen in this article condeming us as evil and Satanists which is another faith altogether.
Maybe you wish to take this up on hopechild rather than my blog.
Blessed be
Morvenna
paulinemom
I am pleased you agree with me..but I rather did feel you were knocking my attitude to it being now generally a fun thing.
To me and you and many others it is not.... but that is OUR WAY...
Unfortunately....no matter what religion many customs and observance are now transformed
P xx
WildWitch
Hang on, what have i agreed with you about. Where in my reply does it say the words 'i agree'.
paulinemom
Oh and BTW....I used that loosley as you know I follow the Pagan Path.....
He is yet another that decries any festival....Christmas...Halloween....but bet he agrees with the Asian ones....no disrespect meant to my friends...just a way things are going here in the UK.
P xx
paulinemom
And that last comment is now out of context to where was written...check the dates of the posting.
P xx
WildWitch
ok, you have lost me now.
paulinemom
Never mind.....closed subject now.
Our posts got out of sequence
P xx
WildWitch
confused but hey ho!
paulinemom
We agreed to disagree...that is our perogative.
I took a wider view....without taking sides....
Our posts got chucked up out of sequence...
Never mind....still friends.
P xx
WildWitch
ok
paulinemom
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Nothing exasperates me more than stupid christians.
Thank god the few I know are normal reasonable people.
And then there is my ex wife.....sheeesh.